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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 20:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My disagreement isn&#039;t that this should be taken as an indictment of his integrity - there&#039;s nothing that suggests he&#039;s being bribed, for instance.

Where I disagree is in whether the rules should be adapted to suit changing times, or if the Commish should have ever-increasing powers to waive them.

Essentially, for stadium dimensions today, we can see that they&#039;re not restrained by what&#039;s in the rules, they&#039;re restrained only by what Selig&#039;s willing to sign off on. What Selig is willing to sign off on is unknown, and because of that, there&#039;s a huge area for interpretation.

If the Tigers wanted to build a new park next year, for some reason, hoping to put the RF wall only 315 feet away at the corner, and Selig denied it, suddenly there are other factors we&#039;d be discussing: is he angry that the Tigers broke slotting to draft and sign Miller, in particular?

This isn&#039;t an isolated case, either - over Selig&#039;s reign, the MLB head office has accumulated a huge amount of discretionary money and power that they use to reward friends and punish maverick ownership groups, and I don&#039;t see that that&#039;s healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My disagreement isn&#8217;t that this should be taken as an indictment of his integrity &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing that suggests he&#8217;s being bribed, for instance.</p>
<p>Where I disagree is in whether the rules should be adapted to suit changing times, or if the Commish should have ever-increasing powers to waive them.</p>
<p>Essentially, for stadium dimensions today, we can see that they&#8217;re not restrained by what&#8217;s in the rules, they&#8217;re restrained only by what Selig&#8217;s willing to sign off on. What Selig is willing to sign off on is unknown, and because of that, there&#8217;s a huge area for interpretation.</p>
<p>If the Tigers wanted to build a new park next year, for some reason, hoping to put the RF wall only 315 feet away at the corner, and Selig denied it, suddenly there are other factors we&#8217;d be discussing: is he angry that the Tigers broke slotting to draft and sign Miller, in particular?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an isolated case, either &#8211; over Selig&#8217;s reign, the MLB head office has accumulated a huge amount of discretionary money and power that they use to reward friends and punish maverick ownership groups, and I don&#8217;t see that that&#8217;s healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should&#039;ve been more precise in my wording. I meant using the deviation from ballpark standards as an indictment of Selig is ridiculous. Your facts are correct, and I must concede it violates the letter of the law. That said, you&#039;re using field dimensions as a vehicle to question Selig&#039;s integrity as Commissioner. I agree that his tenure has been auspicious at best, and there are perhaps instances where we could point to his integrity (rather than simply ineptitude), but this is a real stretch. Qualcom&#039;s LF was moved to 327&#039; in 1982, long before Selig&#039;s tenure. Similarly, Camden Yards opened the same year as Selig became commissioner, but it was under Faye Vincent&#039;s tenure that the dimensions for the park were set (318&#039; to RF)

What changed? Obviously I can&#039;t answer that with any inside knowledge, but how about I postulate a bit? Camden Yards was hailed as a testament to what a ballpark could be. A new era of ballparks was heralded and Camden set the standard for this new generation of, in my opinion, spectacular ballparks. This standard wasn&#039;t set by Selig, he wasn&#039;t Commissioner yet. 

Why did they leave it in? Again, I can only postulate, but if the commissioners office (3 in the last 20+ years) have been willing to bend the rule then what good does it do to remove it. Its been utilized as a guideline and rewriting for posterity&#039;s sake just seems meaningless, as the precendent is clear. 

While its more than fair to say Selig has taken this to unforseen new heights, isn&#039;t a more likely scenario simply that having odd dimension has become a bit of a fad in ballpark building? While it violates the letter of the law, the Commissioners Office, not just Selig himself, has decided that certain degrees of deviation from the letter of the law do not violate the spirit of the law, and thus no harm is done to the game. 

I enjoy your blog and commend you on engaging your commentors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should&#8217;ve been more precise in my wording. I meant using the deviation from ballpark standards as an indictment of Selig is ridiculous. Your facts are correct, and I must concede it violates the letter of the law. That said, you&#8217;re using field dimensions as a vehicle to question Selig&#8217;s integrity as Commissioner. I agree that his tenure has been auspicious at best, and there are perhaps instances where we could point to his integrity (rather than simply ineptitude), but this is a real stretch. Qualcom&#8217;s LF was moved to 327&#8242; in 1982, long before Selig&#8217;s tenure. Similarly, Camden Yards opened the same year as Selig became commissioner, but it was under Faye Vincent&#8217;s tenure that the dimensions for the park were set (318&#8242; to RF)</p>
<p>What changed? Obviously I can&#8217;t answer that with any inside knowledge, but how about I postulate a bit? Camden Yards was hailed as a testament to what a ballpark could be. A new era of ballparks was heralded and Camden set the standard for this new generation of, in my opinion, spectacular ballparks. This standard wasn&#8217;t set by Selig, he wasn&#8217;t Commissioner yet. </p>
<p>Why did they leave it in? Again, I can only postulate, but if the commissioners office (3 in the last 20+ years) have been willing to bend the rule then what good does it do to remove it. Its been utilized as a guideline and rewriting for posterity&#8217;s sake just seems meaningless, as the precendent is clear. </p>
<p>While its more than fair to say Selig has taken this to unforseen new heights, isn&#8217;t a more likely scenario simply that having odd dimension has become a bit of a fad in ballpark building? While it violates the letter of the law, the Commissioners Office, not just Selig himself, has decided that certain degrees of deviation from the letter of the law do not violate the spirit of the law, and thus no harm is done to the game. </p>
<p>I enjoy your blog and commend you on engaging your commentors.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I entirely agree with you about the character and uniqueness of stadiums, and obviously, don&#039;t quite understand why the post is ridiculous.

Here&#039;s my question - you clearly think that 265&#039; is too close. At some point, baseball thought that the current dimensions outlined in the rulebook were as close as you should be able to build a field, and implemented this rule to prevent parks from being built closer than what&#039;s laid out.

What changed between then and now?
Why did baseball leave the requirement and allow the Commissioner to waive it, rather than change it?

I&#039;ll talk about why this kind of Commissioner power is concerning in a later post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I entirely agree with you about the character and uniqueness of stadiums, and obviously, don&#8217;t quite understand why the post is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my question &#8211; you clearly think that 265&#8242; is too close. At some point, baseball thought that the current dimensions outlined in the rulebook were as close as you should be able to build a field, and implemented this rule to prevent parks from being built closer than what&#8217;s laid out.</p>
<p>What changed between then and now?<br />
Why did baseball leave the requirement and allow the Commissioner to waive it, rather than change it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll talk about why this kind of Commissioner power is concerning in a later post.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate your blog, this post is ridiculous. The requirements are there as guidelines, and are appropriately used as such. Baseball fans talk about the &quot;charm&quot; and &quot;uniqueness&quot; of baseball parks in a way unlike any other sport&#039;s areanas specifically because ballparks can have their own character (such as variations in dimensions). Yes, you could still accomplish this and be within the rules, but it isn&#039;t as if they&#039;re putting the wall at 265&#039;. Would we be better off with more of the cookie-cutter parks like the AstroDome, Olympic Stadium, and Three Rivers? Selig has done his best to cripple the game, but using this as a condemnation of Selig&#039;s tenure as Commissioner is completely misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate your blog, this post is ridiculous. The requirements are there as guidelines, and are appropriately used as such. Baseball fans talk about the &#8220;charm&#8221; and &#8220;uniqueness&#8221; of baseball parks in a way unlike any other sport&#8217;s areanas specifically because ballparks can have their own character (such as variations in dimensions). Yes, you could still accomplish this and be within the rules, but it isn&#8217;t as if they&#8217;re putting the wall at 265&#8242;. Would we be better off with more of the cookie-cutter parks like the AstroDome, Olympic Stadium, and Three Rivers? Selig has done his best to cripple the game, but using this as a condemnation of Selig&#8217;s tenure as Commissioner is completely misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Wikipedia:

This rule (a footnote to official rule 1.04) was passed specifically in response to the fence at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, which was not originally designed for baseball, and thus was only 251 feet (77 m) to the left field pole (1 foot (0.3 m) over the bare minimum required by the rules).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>This rule (a footnote to official rule 1.04) was passed specifically in response to the fence at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, which was not originally designed for baseball, and thus was only 251 feet (77 m) to the left field pole (1 foot (0.3 m) over the bare minimum required by the rules).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt in Toledo</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt in Toledo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember a story about the Reds moving in the center field wall in the last days of Riverfront/Cinergy Field, and MLB telling them they had to make it a certain height in order to be able to do it. Am I misremembering or does that seem like an odd incongruity to anybody else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember a story about the Reds moving in the center field wall in the last days of Riverfront/Cinergy Field, and MLB telling them they had to make it a certain height in order to be able to do it. Am I misremembering or does that seem like an odd incongruity to anybody else?</p>
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		<title>By: tangotiger</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>tangotiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the park factors:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/run_impact_in_parks/#13

Focus on the RUNS column.  Houston has 0.68 more runs (per 9IP) scored at their home games than their road games.  That puts them in the top third.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the park factors:<br />
<a href="http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/run_impact_in_parks/#13" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/run_impact_in_parks/#13</a></p>
<p>Focus on the RUNS column.  Houston has 0.68 more runs (per 9IP) scored at their home games than their road games.  That puts them in the top third.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/04/25/why-do-stadiums-have-illegal-dimensions/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN&#039;s park factor stats are terrible, for one. 2000-2003 Minute Maid played hugely to hitters, though you&#039;re correct, in recent years it&#039;s been much more fair. I should have been clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN&#8217;s park factor stats are terrible, for one. 2000-2003 Minute Maid played hugely to hitters, though you&#8217;re correct, in recent years it&#8217;s been much more fair. I should have been clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirabeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirabeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minute Maid is certainly not as much a hitter&#039;s park as you say it is.  Based on park factors, it only slightly favors the hitter, ranking 33, 9, 9, 14, 23, and 12 in hitter friendliness from 2001-2006.  Surely a park that has never been in the top 5 in park factor based on runs cannot be considered a &quot;severe hitters&#039; park.&quot;

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minute Maid is certainly not as much a hitter&#8217;s park as you say it is.  Based on park factors, it only slightly favors the hitter, ranking 33, 9, 9, 14, 23, and 12 in hitter friendliness from 2001-2006.  Surely a park that has never been in the top 5 in park factor based on runs cannot be considered a &#8220;severe hitters&#8217; park.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor</a></p>
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		<title>By: Orlandu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlandu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you make of the stuff that was on the top part of the bill of Joe Blanton&#039;s cap yesterday (assuming you watched the game)? Was it the worst display of cheating you&#039;ve ever seen, or was it just really dirty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you make of the stuff that was on the top part of the bill of Joe Blanton&#8217;s cap yesterday (assuming you watched the game)? Was it the worst display of cheating you&#8217;ve ever seen, or was it just really dirty?</p>
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