Comments on: Home run surge at the start of the steroids era http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/ Baseball, Cheating, and Rules discussion at the author's blog for the Cheater's Guide to Baseball Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:29:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: fgf http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-755 fgf Sun, 20 May 2007 02:19:58 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-755 Sorry I posted twice ( thought it didn't go through the first time). I agree with everything you say, except for the fact that a ballplayer didn't know how to " mix " and properly benefit from steroids - Who's to say they didn't, assuming they used? In other sports such as football and bodybuilding they were used in a beneficial way, and while weight lifting was frowned upon in baseball, it doesn't mean they weren't used along with intense weightlifting by certain players. And House's " comments " regarding the ways they were used is questionable - Especially since he backtracked his comments regarding them being widespread - He says Amphetamines were wide-spread, not steroids. He did however admit to using steroids and HGH himself. Sorry I posted twice ( thought it didn’t go through the first time).

I agree with everything you say, except for the fact that a ballplayer didn’t know how to ” mix ” and properly benefit from steroids – Who’s to say they didn’t, assuming they used? In other sports such as football and bodybuilding they were used in a beneficial way, and while weight lifting was frowned upon in baseball, it doesn’t mean they weren’t used along with intense weightlifting by certain players.

And House’s ” comments ” regarding the ways they were used is questionable – Especially since he backtracked his comments regarding them being widespread – He says Amphetamines were wide-spread, not steroids. He did however admit to using steroids and HGH himself.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-754 DMZ Sat, 19 May 2007 23:35:34 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-754 Sure, but if you look at House's comments and other accounts from pre-1985 (to draw a particular line), steroid/other drug use was essentially random: players were taking inconsistent doses, mixing different combinations, and not training. If they were able to get any advantage, it certainly wouldn't have been constant. The 80s were where we got players borrowing mature, effective drug dosage schedules and workout regiments from weightlifting, so they knew how to cycle, how to build and maintain muscle, and so on, in a way that baseball had never seen before. Sure, but if you look at House’s comments and other accounts from pre-1985 (to draw a particular line), steroid/other drug use was essentially random: players were taking inconsistent doses, mixing different combinations, and not training. If they were able to get any advantage, it certainly wouldn’t have been constant.

The 80s were where we got players borrowing mature, effective drug dosage schedules and workout regiments from weightlifting, so they knew how to cycle, how to build and maintain muscle, and so on, in a way that baseball had never seen before.

]]> By: fgf http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-753 fgf Sat, 19 May 2007 23:16:44 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-753 Found success in homerun power, and pitch speed increases. Still doesn't mean House, or possibly anyone during their time didn't see a benefit of faster recovery. Found success in homerun power, and pitch speed increases.

Still doesn’t mean House, or possibly anyone during their time didn’t see a benefit of faster recovery.

]]> By: fgf http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-752 fgf Sat, 19 May 2007 23:13:57 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-752 Success can be found in them just by recovery. They may have not seen increases in their homerun power, or their pitch speed, but being able to recover faster from injuries is still enough to consider it an unfair advantage. Success can be found in them just by recovery.

They may have not seen increases in their homerun power, or their pitch speed, but being able to recover faster from injuries is still enough to consider it an unfair advantage.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-749 DMZ Sat, 19 May 2007 03:52:44 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-749 No. As I said, it's the late 1980s when players started using them and weightlifting regularly, on schedules, and found success -- and imitators. No. As I said, it’s the late 1980s when players started using them and weightlifting regularly, on schedules, and found success — and imitators.

]]> By: fgf http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-748 fgf Sat, 19 May 2007 02:59:32 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/13/home-run-surge-at-the-start-of-the-steroids-era/#comment-748 wouldn't the start of the steroid era be when Tom House admitted to dabbling with them? wouldn’t the start of the steroid era be when Tom House admitted to dabbling with them?

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