Comments on: The line between training and cheating http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/ Baseball, Cheating, and Rules discussion at the author's blog for the Cheater's Guide to Baseball Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:29:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sdsd http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-822 sdsd Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:02:43 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-822 Derek - Well of course it's not something as beneficial as steroid injections ( actually, it depends what steroids you are discussing), but it can still provide some results, especially if you are in your athletic prime. I'm surprised to see you didn't get any results? What kind did you use just out of curiousity? and maybe everyone's body reacts different towards them. I would personally lump creatine with Andro - Certainly a PED, but not as effective as steroids. Derek – Well of course it’s not something as beneficial as steroid injections ( actually, it depends what steroids you are discussing), but it can still provide some results, especially if you are in your athletic prime. I’m surprised to see you didn’t get any results? What kind did you use just out of curiousity? and maybe everyone’s body reacts different towards them.

I would personally lump creatine with Andro – Certainly a PED, but not as effective as steroids.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-816 DMZ Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:44:36 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-816 I wouldn't argue that there isn't evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that it helps - it's that it's not a <em>massive </em>help, and certainly not in the way steroid injections are. That's the argument there. My point was that in researching it, I didn't find any persuasive studies that said creatine had any kind of amazing results, and there's a lot of studies published that say its effects are negligible. Going all the way to the entirely personal, my own experience trying it as part of a targeted workout regimen didn't get me much over what I'd seen with workouts alone. I wouldn’t argue that there isn’t evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that it helps – it’s that it’s not a massive help, and certainly not in the way steroid injections are. That’s the argument there.

My point was that in researching it, I didn’t find any persuasive studies that said creatine had any kind of amazing results, and there’s a lot of studies published that say its effects are negligible.

Going all the way to the entirely personal, my own experience trying it as part of a targeted workout regimen didn’t get me much over what I’d seen with workouts alone.

]]> By: sdsd http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-815 sdsd Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:00:14 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-815 Derek - Oh, it's most certainly considered among the athletic community and bodybuilding community to be a PED. Did you happen to have conversations with people who actually use the drug? Creatine certainly isn't a steroid, but it can provide some fantastic results. Derek – Oh, it’s most certainly considered among the athletic community and bodybuilding community to be a PED. Did you happen to have conversations with people who actually use the drug?

Creatine certainly isn’t a steroid, but it can provide some fantastic results.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-807 DMZ Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:17:51 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-807 Indeed, one of the interesting things you pick up from reading player biographies is how much formative experience shapes their play as major leaguers: if they have to use a corn cob as a ball, they might learn to hit pitches that move strangely in a way that other players don't, for instance. Indeed, one of the interesting things you pick up from reading player biographies is how much formative experience shapes their play as major leaguers: if they have to use a corn cob as a ball, they might learn to hit pitches that move strangely in a way that other players don’t, for instance.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-805 eponymous coward Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:04:58 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-805 Hmm, what I got out of it is that the way to pick up these skills is through UNSTRUCTURED play, to the point where the skill becomes unconscious and part of autonomic response- Gretzky spending hours every day in his backyard rink. In that sense, the best way to pick up things like pitch recognition is to play baseball. A lot... and all you really need is an empty lot, a ball and a bat, and some kids. This helps to explain why umpteen Major league ballplayers come from a 200,000 person city in the Dominican Republic (San Pedro de Macoris), whereas there isn't anything like that in the US, where, say 70 US-born ballplayers come from Spokane. If you're playing ball every day in pickup situations, you get some things you won't get in Little League. Hmm, what I got out of it is that the way to pick up these skills is through UNSTRUCTURED play, to the point where the skill becomes unconscious and part of autonomic response- Gretzky spending hours every day in his backyard rink.

In that sense, the best way to pick up things like pitch recognition is to play baseball. A lot… and all you really need is an empty lot, a ball and a bat, and some kids.

This helps to explain why umpteen Major league ballplayers come from a 200,000 person city in the Dominican Republic (San Pedro de Macoris), whereas there isn’t anything like that in the US, where, say 70 US-born ballplayers come from Spokane. If you’re playing ball every day in pickup situations, you get some things you won’t get in Little League.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-800 DMZ Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:23:55 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-800 Well, I looked at the available literature on creatine, and while it's not conclusive, there's certainly no consensus that it's a "massive performance enhancing drug". And if it's entirely safe and natural, I'm not sure what the harm would be. Well, I looked at the available literature on creatine, and while it’s not conclusive, there’s certainly no consensus that it’s a “massive performance enhancing drug”.

And if it’s entirely safe and natural, I’m not sure what the harm would be.

]]> By: sdsd http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-799 sdsd Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:20:23 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-799 ahh, edit, I meant " despite being legal ". ahh, edit, I meant ” despite being legal “.

]]> By: sdsd http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-798 sdsd Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:19:46 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-798 Derek - In your book creatine should of been looked at more. Despite being illegal, it's actually a massive performance enhancing drug, and could enable a player to hit more homeruns. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the drug responsible right now for some of the players still looking bulked up and jacking homeruns. Anderson goes out of his way to say creatine enabled him to jack 50 homeruns - Dr. Yeslasis, if I recall correctly in "jucin' the game" claims to consider creatine a performance enhancing drug, and argues that it should be banned because of performance enhancing attributes. Derek – In your book creatine should of been looked at more. Despite being illegal, it’s actually a massive performance enhancing drug, and could enable a player to hit more homeruns. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the drug responsible right now for some of the players still looking bulked up and jacking homeruns. Anderson goes out of his way to say creatine enabled him to jack 50 homeruns – Dr. Yeslasis, if I recall correctly in “jucin’ the game” claims to consider creatine a performance enhancing drug, and argues that it should be banned because of performance enhancing attributes.

]]> By: Evan http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-781 Evan Wed, 30 May 2007 21:22:32 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-781 This problem - where to draw the line - is why I don't object to PEDs. Since anywhere you draw the line is necessarily arbitrary, why have a line at all? This problem – where to draw the line – is why I don’t object to PEDs. Since anywhere you draw the line is necessarily arbitrary, why have a line at all?

]]> By: DMZ http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-778 DMZ Wed, 30 May 2007 20:28:21 +0000 http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/29/the-line-between-training-and-cheating/#comment-778 Fixed, thanks. Fixed, thanks.

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