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	<title>Comments on: The potentially applicable rules to A-Rod</title>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are in the Major Leagues, you should be able to catch that ball no matter if you could hear a pin drop or if F16 jets are flying over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are in the Major Leagues, you should be able to catch that ball no matter if you could hear a pin drop or if F16 jets are flying over.</p>
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		<title>By: John Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speech isn't an act?  That sounds absurd.  Crying "fire" in a crowded theater, or delivering a speech that incites a riot, or reading the Gettysburg Address, isn't action?  Speech is the result of a decision, and has a causal impact.  It's action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speech isn&#8217;t an act?  That sounds absurd.  Crying &#8220;fire&#8221; in a crowded theater, or delivering a speech that incites a riot, or reading the Gettysburg Address, isn&#8217;t action?  Speech is the result of a decision, and has a causal impact.  It&#8217;s action.</p>
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		<title>By: thoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>thoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the latest A-Rod "outrage" occurred, I immediately thought of the "Cheater's Guide" book, and how it could instruct us in this case.

Speaking as one with legal training, I think A-Rod skates around Rule 2.  Speech is not an "act."  This distinction actually comes up in conspiracy cases with some regularity.  An "act" requires, well, action.  How can a non-act "hinder a fielder?" What if A-Rod had uttered a particularly funny "Yo mama" joke to the second baseman, who was doubled over with laughter and missed the play?  Best not to start conflating speech with acts.

Turning to a less legalistic approach, it is hard to see how what A-Rod did is anything but the offensive equivalent of the hidden ball trick.  As DMZ has written, this sort of thing has made the game deeper and more interesting.  Personally, I'm agnostic about the "ethics" or "sportsmanship" involved.  But since there is no rule against it, the defense can do equally sneaky stuff and, really, it was clever and amusing, this is not a basis for condemning the Yankee's mercenary 3B.  There's much better grist for that mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the latest A-Rod &#8220;outrage&#8221; occurred, I immediately thought of the &#8220;Cheater&#8217;s Guide&#8221; book, and how it could instruct us in this case.</p>
<p>Speaking as one with legal training, I think A-Rod skates around Rule 2.  Speech is not an &#8220;act.&#8221;  This distinction actually comes up in conspiracy cases with some regularity.  An &#8220;act&#8221; requires, well, action.  How can a non-act &#8220;hinder a fielder?&#8221; What if A-Rod had uttered a particularly funny &#8220;Yo mama&#8221; joke to the second baseman, who was doubled over with laughter and missed the play?  Best not to start conflating speech with acts.</p>
<p>Turning to a less legalistic approach, it is hard to see how what A-Rod did is anything but the offensive equivalent of the hidden ball trick.  As DMZ has written, this sort of thing has made the game deeper and more interesting.  Personally, I&#8217;m agnostic about the &#8220;ethics&#8221; or &#8220;sportsmanship&#8221; involved.  But since there is no rule against it, the defense can do equally sneaky stuff and, really, it was clever and amusing, this is not a basis for condemning the Yankee&#8217;s mercenary 3B.  There&#8217;s much better grist for that mill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tango Tiger raised a good point on his blog (click link on my name): the point of calling a ball is to avoid injury. This could conceivably increase the likelihood of injuries in the future.

Now I agree with you that it isn't cheating, and there's entirely way too much focus on it (certainly much more than if Jeter did it). Just curious what your take is on the injury angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tango Tiger raised a good point on his blog (click link on my name): the point of calling a ball is to avoid injury. This could conceivably increase the likelihood of injuries in the future.</p>
<p>Now I agree with you that it isn&#8217;t cheating, and there&#8217;s entirely way too much focus on it (certainly much more than if Jeter did it). Just curious what your take is on the injury angle.</p>
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		<title>By: tgf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised Torre is coming out in public against it. Managers of guys that commit crimes off the field rarely say anything bad about their player. And anyone who thinks this is "bush league" (see the above linked boston globe article) and the hidden ball trick or stealing signs is fine is being incosistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised Torre is coming out in public against it. Managers of guys that commit crimes off the field rarely say anything bad about their player. And anyone who thinks this is &#8220;bush league&#8221; (see the above linked boston globe article) and the hidden ball trick or stealing signs is fine is being incosistent.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as the Yanks head into Boston, Dan Shaughnessy polls some older players, and Joe Morgan rambles into a 'hidden ball' anecdote:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/06/01/did_a_rod_put_foot_in_mouth/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as the Yanks head into Boston, Dan Shaughnessy polls some older players, and Joe Morgan rambles into a &#8216;hidden ball&#8217; anecdote:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/06/01/did_a_rod_put_foot_in_mouth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/06/01/did_a_rod_put_foot_in_mouth/</a></p>
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		<title>By: zzyzx</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzyzx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might have not been enforced before, but it sure will be now.  

I disagree that it would be called heads up if Jeter had done it.  People know that this is wrong because it's considered to be a jerk move in slow pitch softball.  Fake throws and tags don't have the same reaction as someone who tries to call off outfielders.  I've almost seemed some fights start because of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might have not been enforced before, but it sure will be now.  </p>
<p>I disagree that it would be called heads up if Jeter had done it.  People know that this is wrong because it&#8217;s considered to be a jerk move in slow pitch softball.  Fake throws and tags don&#8217;t have the same reaction as someone who tries to call off outfielders.  I&#8217;ve almost seemed some fights start because of that.</p>
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		<title>By: david h</title>
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		<dc:creator>david h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"confuses any fielder attempting to make a play" - seems like this fits the definition.  If it's not enforced, and it seems clear that it isn't, then yeah, go for it, it's a good move.  However, the Rule 2 definition of interference doesn't seem to give the umpires as much leeway as rule 7.08, on its own, does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;confuses any fielder attempting to make a play&#8221; - seems like this fits the definition.  If it&#8217;s not enforced, and it seems clear that it isn&#8217;t, then yeah, go for it, it&#8217;s a good move.  However, the Rule 2 definition of interference doesn&#8217;t seem to give the umpires as much leeway as rule 7.08, on its own, does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...A-Rod, you better armour up buddy because you have to face Toronto pitching a lot and they might not be too friendly with their inside pitches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;A-Rod, you better armour up buddy because you have to face Toronto pitching a lot and they might not be too friendly with their inside pitches!</p>
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		<title>By: vj</title>
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		<dc:creator>vj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, you may have a formatting glitch, all of the posts suddenly are in italics. Cheers, vj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, you may have a formatting glitch, all of the posts suddenly are in italics. Cheers, vj</p>
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